The Thread: Act VI
OK ... first off at this point I don't know
where your gonna get better rock for
under $4 a pound ...
BUT, I don't know what you're all thinking,
that rock looks like crap and Damselblue you
have every right to be mad.
That picture is absolutely false advertising,
and while, yes, over time the purple will grow,
if you were expecting to get it due to that
picture and didn't, that's just wrong.
(All the photos of the Fiji live rock were
taken upon arriving at LAX ... a wide range of possibilities
was displayed ... no one photo should be singled out.)
At least other sites show the Fiji rock for
what it is ... gray and shapeless.
And the first pics of your rockwork are horrid,
you can't do anything better than mundane
Pssssst .... I bet Damselblue could do better than that!
Damselblue ... absolutely at least try and
bash up those rocks, at least then you will
have some smaller pieces to do something with,
and might even get some actual shapes.
The best way, and the easiest way, to keep
the rock and all coral reef animals and plants,
is to keep them at standard coral reef conditions.
Full strength seawater - that means an S.G.
of 1.025. Temperature at about
80 to 82 degrees. Nothing to it.
I wonder why Sal feels that there is only
one temperature and salinity in the ocean ...?
For instance, Tonga's reefs are 74 degrees or cooler.
The idea that a reef tank should be kept
at 75 degrees is left over from the days
the hobby started, when most of the livestock
was collected around Florida.
Another thing, the term base rock means
two things. One is dead, dry rock dug
up on land, usually limestone or fossilized coral.
This stuff can be as solid as a piece of marble
or granite. Florida aquaculture companies
put fossilized coral into the Gulf for a
few years, then sell it as Florida live rock,
which by then it is.
The other meaning of base rock is live rock
that has nothing interesting about it, but good
enough to go underneath the better pieces.
Voice of Reason
Sal is dead on, keep the rock at
conditions, just run those filters and clean'm regularly.
Also, buying beautiful live rock from a lfs
is a great idea to top off your rock, this will
help your investment come along faster, but
ONLY AFTER THE AMMONIA SPIKE HAS PASSED!
So don't buy any more live rock from your
local fish store until then, unless you put'm
in a separate container while the spike passes,
which should take four to six weeks.
Once the spike has passed and you add your
lfs live rock (that's what I did), it will help
your Fiji Premium take off with color ...
"that is when you'll be in disbelief."
I would also recommend you consider ...
(1) premium live sand, (pods, worms, stars,
sponges, etc. included)
(2) your cleaning crew (snails, hermits)
(3) detritus pack (starfish, etc.)
All three of those help your rocks and the
tank as a whole to keep you from having to
clean it yourself.
There's so much more that you still need to
concentrate on to keep your live rock and tank
as a whole coming along, that I wouldn't waste
any more time or energy.
Look forward to seeing and hearing from
you when this happens ... move on, keep
planning the next steps and enjoy
your investments ...
Sooner rather than later,
you'll laugh at all this ...
Well, if you really want your live rock to look
like what you expected, then it is better to buy
it from your local fish store. You can hand-pick
it yourself for just a couple bucks more per pound.
No surprise is the best surprise of all.
But honestly, if you want to save $, it is better
to buy online.
These rocks have been shipped far distances
without water, and it is natural for them to fade,
kind of like a coral frag. If you've ever seen
softie frags newly shipped to a local fish store,
they look like blobs of nothing. Within a week,
they color up and look like the corals you expect
them to look like.
It's not going to look extravagantly healthy
if it's been in a box without water for a couple
of days. Give it a week or two, you will see
the coralline starting to come in, and all
sorts of life will appear.
I've bought hundreds of pounds of live rock
in 16 years and I would be disappointed if
I expected what was in the pictures on their
website. I would have to see in person
to really say much more.
You got several boulders and for a small tank
that just doesn't look as good.
Take a chisel and hammer and break it up a little.
After that put it in your tank and leave it alone.
Let your skimmer do some skimming and maybe
use a filter sock for awhile and clean it alot.
Quit pulling the rock out and cleaning it.
Just leave it alone.
Give it a few months and see what comes out.
It will amaze you.
Well if you didn't kill everything with all the
pulling out and cleaning. I do think it is ugly
rock in the pics and devoid of near as much
growth and coralline (purple algae) as I would
expect in Super Duper Premium Fiji, which I have
If you are showing the bottom of the rock,
it looks right, but if that is the top it looks like
what LFS would sell as base rock. I would give
my LFS $3-4 lb. for that rock.
Yes, that is correct ...
most of the rocks in this photo are showing their bottoms ...
hmmmm ... that didn't sound quite right!
And, it was less than $3 per pound.
Damselblue ... don't worry too much about
your rock. My rock was very bare when
I first got it. It's been about three
months and even the pieces that were
completely brown and white are
completely covered in coralline and life.
Looks av, like base rock.
I know it is easy to bash a seller when
things are not what you expected, but
livestockusa is a good seller in my opinion!!!
I have ordered from them a few times and
had nothing but stellar service. Birdfish
is an honorable person and wants to do the
right thing if he can.
Just because one person has had a bad
experience, I would not judge this seller as
bad and not use them!!
How many people have had bad experiences
with some other companies ... I know of a
couple, but we all still use them!!!!!
Your rock will be fine give it some time
and you will be amazed at the life!!!!
Looks like base rock to me, not many decent
sized tunnels and nooks and crannies from
what I can see.
(Psssssst ... there are some we may have overlooked.)
But it will still look awesome in time.
I don't know what you were expecting,
but I'd have to say it looks average to me too.
But hey, you got it for a good price,
so it can't be that bad.
Uh ... base rock is dry and white ...
if you look at one of my photos of my rock
you can see base rock under the live rock.
Age of Aquarius
I don't think it looks like base rock, I really
don't think it's all that bad looking, it just looks
really dense to me. I personally see some pics
on the site that look like what you got, but in
the same token I see rock that looks nice and
porous in other pics right next to it.
If it weighed, then I think although it's not first
choice stuff (in your eyes), it could be confused
with the rock they have pictured.
You could bust it down maybe, or stack it open
and accent it with something more porous that
you can find locally. I bought my rock at
various LFS. If 20 pounds is gonna
evaporate ... it's gonna be their 20 pounds!
I wonder how long the LFS allows their live rock
to drain before weighing it? Live rock drained for
international shipment is about 10-20% lighter than
instantaneously, wet-weighed LFS live rock.
(There will be more to this "evaporation story" up ahead!)
Originally posted by SeaStar
... base rock is dry and white
Hmmm, I didn't know that.
I figured base rock was just a large rock
without a lot of negative space to it so you
could stack the more premium rock on
top of it.
So why does base rock have to be
dry and white?
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